LOGIC AND HISTORY: Maggie

Ken argues we should all rush to on the right side of history to avoid the terrible fate of posthumous condemnation. This history argument is interesting. Ken, people also said the divorce revolution would have no negative effects on marriage, only positive ones too. The problem with the work of people like E.J. Graff, who use past predictions of disaster for marriage as evidence marriage is infinitely durable and can never be hurt, is that marriage is in profound, structural crisis all over the developed world: high rates of divorce, unmarried childbearing, high rates of nonmarriage, and in Europe a collapse in marital fertility. Ben, you talk about my inability to grasp your point of view. Can you imagine, just for the sake of argument, for one teeny second, that in fact societies really do need marriage, that the way culture die out is they become sexually disorganized and fail to sustain what might be called the systems of reproduction?

If Europe becomes part of the Islamic block in 100 years, because Muslims are the only ones maintain traditional marriage codes and reproducing successfully, will that be good for gay and lesbian people?

I am not asking you agree that this IS true, but merely to see that, if it WERE true, marriage would really be our common interest here, not my special interest---it would not be grounded in cultural hegemony but just shared real need.
posted by maggie at 8:44 AM VOTE

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